Sep 13 2012

Major Crisis For Rossi and his E-Cats

J. De Herrera @ 8:47 am

Information from websites that monitor the development of the Rossi E-Cats (3 or 4 separate models) indicate that Rossi has sidelined the original “low-temperature” E-Cats in favor of developing the new 1200°C “Hot-Cat”. This new reactor would be the “Holy Grail” of energy production and supply all types of energy (heat, electrical, mechanical, etc.) for domestic and industry.

Apparently in frustration with the progress from Rossi, a private Swedish investors group sent a technician to monitor the testing of the new, high temp. reactor at Rossi’s Bologna facility. The INPUT power measured by the technician were 2 to 3 times higher than those mentioned in a report by the Rossi engineers. So, the ‘technician’ prepared a PRESS RELEASE that told the world about this discrepancy! The Swedish group promptly halted their involvement with Rossi.

If INPUT power is 2 to 3 times higher than Rossi is reporting ‘on all his reactors’, the calculated over-unity OUTPUT values are much, much smaller? Is this proof of deliberate fraud by Rossi? Can we rely on the ‘measurements’ by the technician to know that?

Rossi’s response is that Investors measurements were done on a new high-temp model, with higher operating temperature, different power supply and hydrogen supply. Also, the method of input measurement is now different from the earlier method where there was lower input power. Thus, the Rossi September 9 report reflected the earlier testing of another E-Cat.

Engineers working with/for Rossi acknowledges that there are problems with measurement of input power. “The problem was solved (after the Swedish incident) through use of a VARIAC (variable voltage and current transformer) to stabilize the current and voltages,” “Cures”, the test engineer said.

Apparently Rossi let his guard down by allowing this unknown ‘technician’ to wander around the shop and grab a quick (probably a clamp-on meter) INPUT reading on the Hot-Cat? Without knowing what is in that power supply, how could anyone measure and calculate accurate INPUT values? All of these measurements; Technician’s and Rossi’s are of little value – only INDEPENDENT, THIRD-PARTY VALIDATION TESTING can be relied on for confirmation that the E-Cat and Hot-Cat are real and are a new science and technology ready for commercial use.

All we can do now is be patient and hope that Andrea Rossi can prevail and deliver his E-Cat technology for both domestic and industrial use. The world is counting on you Rossi. Be brave and be strong – don’t let this crisis stop you. Remember, it was this type of crisis (measurement of input and output power) that was used to discredit Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons in 1989. Thus delaying for 23 years the development of the new CH/LENR energy reactors.

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Independent engineers who monitor developments of the E-Cats have commented:

Francesco CH     Reply
September 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Ok,
The problem stems from some interferences generated by the electricity passing through the resistors and detected by the instruments used by the Swedes.
Rossi uses a kind of TRIAC circuit that can generate interferences during this measurements, however it is a problem that can be easily solved by inserting a variac before the resistors.

Jay2011Reply
September 10, 2012 at 6:19 pm
As I mentioned in my earlier critique of the HotCat measurements, high frequency components to the power will almost invariably lead to incorrect power measurements when using a standard voltmeter & ammeter to separately measure voltage and current and then multiplying the two numbers together. That only works with good sinusoidal voltage/current waveforms. Triac type pulses in particular are notorious for producing waveforms that can’t be measured accurately in that fashion.

4 Responses to “Major Crisis For Rossi and his E-Cats”

  1. kwhilborn says:

    Security issues with customers seemed to be a recent Andrea Rossi concern. If he is so concerned about the security at industrial customers releasing his secrets, then he obviously has no intention of releasing a domestic version until the information has already been leaked worldwide.

  2. Christopher says:

    Agreed.
    If the V and I are sinusoidal, one can take the two readings, multiply them, and get real watts. But one must be very careful of power factor. Only a resistive load could be calculated with two handheld meters (VxI).
    If the load is being phase angle switched (SCR’s or Triacs), all bets are off, as the waveforms are very complex.
    But this tips us off to the fact that he is probably driving resistive heating elements.
    Still, one cannot derive any accurate real wattages looking at clamp on meters (with phase angle firing).
    Ideally, one would amplify the V and I signals, multiply them in the analog domain (or fast processor), and integrate (average) the result to determine real watts.
    I do not see how the variac helps in any way (with deriving a real wattage reading).

  3. Brad Arnold says:

    It is wise Rossi is going to remake his 1MW LENR reactor design to accommodate the HotCat. Purchases by power plants looking to convert from coal/natural gas will be much less emotional, and more fact driven. If you can prove a LENR boiler will save power plant owners a significant amount of money, then no amount of adverse publicity will deter them from making the change.

  4. Telecommuter says:

    Radio frequency interference will not cause the measurement to be off by a factor of 10-20% [I would bet the effect would be much less than 10%], let alone a factor of 2-3.
    What causes you to believe the person sent to test the ecat was not qualified?
    You really believe the person would be given free roam?